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When you do that for the amount of the naphtha that you're stripping out, which I believe we've indicated is about 40 million gallons or 50 million gallons out of the Norco facility and then there'll be a similar amount that will come out of, a little less than that that will come out of Port Arthur. Good morning everybody and thanks for joining us. I've been covering Valero for a long time and I can see why you guys get along so well. Our collagen peptide sales drove better results posting approximately $50 million of EBITDA for the fourth quarter. Hey, guys. As we outlined on slide five of the investor presentation, our guidances for the range in 2021 is $900 million to $950 million combined adjusted EBITDA. So we can't really forecast the current prices for the rest of the year because that's not what we see in the marketplace today. 2020 was a year with many facets. And so you will -- I think we'll have a better visibility of the true run rate of that Feed segment here 40 in Q1. Yeah, Adam, great question. And then you saw that in the December production numbers of the U.S. biodiesel industry where 60-plus-percent of its now being made out by the integrated soybean oil guy that's either going to make salad oil. Brad talked to you about $312 million of capital going out the door. Actual results could materially differ because of factors discussed in yesterday's press release and the comments made during this conference call and in the Risk Factors section of our Form 10-K, 10-Q and other reported filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Now sometimes experienced people like you are trying to build extra capacity, which makes sense but then other times, you have a refiner coming out and saying, OK, I have a shut hydrocracker somewhere and if somehow I can restarted that uniquely positions me to create renewable diesel. During this call, we will be making forward-looking statements, which are predictions, projections or other statements about future events. Randall C. Stuewe -- Chief Executive Officer. Darling Ingredients. [Operator Instructions] The first question is from Adam Samuelson with Goldman Sachs. We've seen a bit stronger EBITDA this year on a per gallon basis and in 2019 in the $2.25 you're guiding for. In the 4Q16 earnings presentation management has … So with that, now I'd like to turn the call over to Brad to take us through some financial highlights and I'll come back to you and talk about the outlook and guidance we're willing to give for 2021. Thank you for taking my questions. total ethanol investment. The results surpassed Wall Street expectations. Tax expense and cash tax payments for 2020 were $53.3 million and $36.8 million respectively. 2021 Adam Samuelson -- Goldman Sachs -- Analyst. We finished the year strong with a combined EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA of $214.5 million in fourth quarter. Well, 2020 was a pretty slow year in the world of relationship making. Our last question today comes from Matthew Blair with Tudor, Pickering, Holt. So Canada is going to have a better year. In terms of kind of how you think about returning that cash back to shareholders in light of expectations to finalize a non-course revolver soon which at least us acknowledges the importance that that's placed on shareholder distributions by the market. And then we also believe strongly in our partnership and the supply chain advantages that we have not only in North America but by location of St. Charles and Port Arthur, our ability to originate fats out of our European, our South American, our Chinese and Australian operations. Thanks Alicia. And then, I just wanted to clarify on the DGD volume guidance. Then you move to the continent and between Poland and Germany and we're continuing to still see cases of ASF in the world. Good luck with that. The only publicly traded company in our industry (NYSE/DAR), we are headquartered in Irving, Texas with approximately 10,000 dedicated employees providing services and products to a global market. And that means that we can market the naphtha as a low CI feedstock or low CI fuel into the various LCFS markets. But when we look to other global markets, Europe is a particularly attractive opportunity. Now, as we had indicated on our third quarter call, Diamond Green Diesel had its turnaround in early fourth quarter, which led to DGD selling approximately 57 million gallons of renewable diesel at $2.40 per gallon or contributing $68.2 million of EBITDA to Darling during the fourth quarter. Our European Bioenergy business reported another solid quarter, which we believe will be steady through 2021. Got it. So with that Alicia, let's go ahead and open it up to question and answers. So we'll continue to evaluate whether or not we want to be in the renewable diesel business in Europe. So we're really excited to be able to have arctic grade product as part of our portfolio. Our priorities during the COVID-19 pandemic continue to be protecting the health and safety of our employees, while continuing to provide our essential services to the industries and communities we serve. Darling Ingredients Inc. (NYSE: DAR) is a world leading producer of organic ingredients, generating a wide array of sustainable protein and fat products while being one of … Capital expenditures totaled $280.1 million for 2020 as we plan to spend approximately $312 million on capital expenditures in fiscal 2021. But quite frankly, it's probably a couple of three years out there because at this point in time, we have more than enough demand on the roadside for any product that we can make. in 2021. As we stated in our earnings release yesterday, Darling has shut down its two biodiesel facilities located in Montreal, Quebec, and Butler, Kentucky. So I think -- I know it's a long answer to your question, we feel very strongly the Feed segment has the most optionality in it. And this is just a wonderful product that has various attributes that are right now being in government regulation and getting permitted and authorized to be used in different applications, we can't comment about those yet, but it's a pretty exciting time. *Note: Joint venture with Darling Ingredients, investment represents Valero’s 50% share. 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John Bullock's famous line is this is when management teams do stupid things. We hope they do because we're in a position now to grow and obviously we've got demand for the product and know-how to run those businesses. Darling Ingredients to Present at the BMO Global Farm to Market Virtual Conference PR Newswire IRVING, Texas, May 11, 2020 IRVING, Texas, May 11, 2020 /PRNewswire/ -- Darling Ingredients … Obviously, opportunistic buybacks of the stock, while maybe not in boat with Elizabeth Warren on CNBC right now. Relative from that, we'll see what the world offers us up this year. What we do sit on top of in Europe is a very, very unique position and relationship to how we can sell our fats into the renewable diesel business in Europe. Yeah, this is John. You have to have the pre-treatment in place. When you look to your 2021 guidance, what do you think the balance is of margin expansion versus topline growth? So one thing which is a encouraging is yesterday we had Valero at our Energy Conference and Joe Gorder, Lane, and Martin said exactly what you have just said that the feedstock will not be a constraint as it appears for DGD 2 or DGD 3. And when they get a good year, I don't know, does that say, I don't want to go back to the prior five years. As Jim Stark put together kind of the outlook, we looked at it and said, OK, strong fat prices, strong protein prices for the first 9 months of the year and then kind of tailing off unless there's some type of harvest disruption or growing disruption in the world on the back half. Your hard work made 2020 one of our best years in Darlings long history. Looking at the balance sheet at year-end January 2, 2021 debt was reduced $141.4 million during the year with a net paydown of $189.8 million. Darling Ingredients Inc. will host a conference call to discuss the Company's third quarter 2020 financial results at 9:00 am Eastern Time (8:00 am Central Time) on Wednesday, November 4, 2020. But as long as the Chinese demand remains strong we would anticipate that we will continue to see relatively good pricing for our products as we move forward. We've seen margin expansion and now we're seeing volume expand as those facilities come online. Darling Ingredients Inc. is the world's largest publicly-traded developer and producer of sustainable natural ingredients from edible and inedible bio-nutrients, creating a wide range of ingredients and specialty products for customers in the pharmaceutical, food, pet food, feed, technical, fuel, bioenergy, and fertilizer industries. Please go ahead. Hey, thanks, Brad. So we kind of got -- that's where he was trying to in his script, trying to normalize '18, '19 and '20 so you could see the continued improvement we have and now we've got a strong pricing environment that should carry over very nicely into the Feed segment. But ultimately, it is a way of returning cash to shareholders if necessary. They do consume a little bit of renewable diesel, biodiesel. $550+ million. Yeah. First Quarter 2021 . That's really difficult to -- for me to answer Ben and without a lot -- it's got a lot of moving parts. Analysts expect that Darling Ingredients Inc. (NYSE:DAR) will post $1.01 billion in sales for the current quarter, according to Zacks.Two analysts have provided estimates for Darling Ingredients' earnings, with the highest sales estimate coming in at $1.11 billion and the lowest estimate coming in … One, tonnage was extremely strong for the year, because China blocked the Germany pork exports. We believe that 2021 results for the Feed segment should increase significantly over the previous year. Thank you guys very much, all of you guys, thanks. Randy, you touched on the backwardation in the fat prices making you conservative on feed prospect in the back half of the year. Valero’s Renewable Diesel Investment* $900 million. I think if you look at the family held rendering companies around the world. We can get to Canada on either coast, that's not Jones Act Freight. Our action does free up valuable low carbon feedstocks that can be sold to DGD and also helps us focus our energy on making DGD the best low cost renewable diesel producer in the world. The most important thing here is this though. That's not the key success dynamic involved in this business. However, we still anticipate DGD putting a non-recourse revolver in place shortly. Maybe Randy can -- strategy perspective, how much this goes to your feedstock commentary? And I just want to clarify, does that number excludes any contribution from a Q4 expansion start-up? Then a pandemic hit and basically turned all of our worlds upside down. Investment research analyst by day, small cap investment enthusiast by night. ET and will be hosted by Mr. Randall C. Stuewe, CEO and Chairman of the Board, and Mr. Brad Phillips, EVP and Chief Financial Officer. While we strive for our Foolish Best, there may be errors, omissions, or inaccuracies in this transcript. Those are significant economic upgrades. Thanks, Randy. The fact of the matter is the fundamental thesis that we've said time and time again is that the green premium adjusts and as long as we have the strong driver for low carbon fuels around the world and the demand is there for the product, as long as you have the right type of facility in the right location with the right type of capabilities margins can remain strong in this business. We know how to do it. So if you could give your comments on that? And we feel good about where we are in the business as we move through 2021 and on into 2022. And I think that's one way of doing it. Brad Phillips -- Executive Vice President-Chief Financial Officer. I think what we've seen consistently here is green premium has adjusted as we've seen various fuel prices and we've seen various fat prices and we seem to be in this $2.25, maybe a little bit better type of a range. John, do you want to comment a little bit on, you mentioned arctic grade term and why that's important in the product mix? John, anything you want add? We anticipate all costs of both expansion projects will be funded by the internal cash flow of Diamond Green Diesel. So we got some lift there. And obviously, if everybody builds every announcement out there that statement wouldn't be true. I mean, if you put it in perspective on fats right now we're seeing fat prices, FOB factory and delivered Diamond Green Diesel, in the high 40s, which puts us back in that '08, '10, '11 era, which I'm sure you can benchmark back there. But I would have told you and I will tell you that starting November-December, we saw a much improved hog herd in China and our visibility to that is in the form of being able to procure hog skin to make gelatin at our Whenzou plant and blood -- pig blood at our five processing facilities across North and South China. And now we're starting to see different strains of the African swine fever in China today. And for those of us who are from more on the energy background, can you help us understand why is it more important than just to have like one shut hydrocracker and that's not enough to make your renewable diesel producer overnight if you can restart a hydrocracker? For us it's a big step to try to sit out there and frame guidance, but we also understand our responsibility to try to provide some outlook there. Thanks. $1.7 billion. But I would tell you that we feel good about where the demand side looks on this. We have looked at several opportunities in depth. And the other thing that's very, very exciting is we have the capability to make arctic grade renewable diesel product, which obviously is extremely important for a rapidly expanding Canadian market because it actually does get cold in Canada a fair bit of time at least 10 months for the year. Yeah, Adam, this is Brad. Hope that you stay safe, stay healthy. What I'll say is this though, functionally the difference on a 300 million gallon or if we can get Diamond Green Diesel 2 in production in Q4, maybe better than 300 million gallons, whether we're making $2.25 or $2.35 a gallon is largely irrelevant. Darling believes there's adequate low carbon feedstocks to supply the 1.2 billion gallon renewable diesel platform of DGD. China continues to drive this is they reconstitute their pig herd. We're scaling it and we're confident enough that we're scaling it and going to build Number 2. So clearly, it's a discussion within the boardroom today. 61 Broadway – Suite 1400 – New York, NY 10006 . And jet fuel is an interesting market. We did incur direct costs of about $7.5 million related to these actions to protect our employees from COVID. Great. This doesn't include the plant disruptions, production slowdowns or customer order delays. And then the second thing is, if you look at the world today of these non-pretreatment retrofits, I mean they're run on RBD soybean oil. Randall C. Stuewe, Chairman and CEO Brad Phillips, EVP Chief Financial Officer Melissa A. Gaither, VP IR and Global Communications. ET and was hosted by Mr. Randall Stuewe, CEO and Chairman of the Board, and Mr. Brad Phillips, EVP and Chief Financial Officer. I mean there is no comparison. Yeah, this is John. So then the only major regulatory change since your last earnings call is the release of the low carbon standard up in Canada. You have to have the ability to be able to capture your naphtha and be able to get your low CI value off of that as well as the ability to use the other feedstocks to lower your renewable -- make your hydrogen that you're using in your facility renewable to lower the carbon intensity. With the announcement weeks ago that there was the approval for the Port Arthur facility and this is kind of -- I think your reference point that we have two projects now simultaneous under way with the margins like we said earlier, these will self-fund. I look at Europe as steady for next year depending on tonnage, could be just a little weaker, if the tonnage -- if the animal numbers contract a little bit. Okay, very good. So, they'll figure it out. We're seven months out from starting up now and that's really exciting. I just wanted to get your take on one of the comments they made. So you're going to see the marketplace rationalize itself and as Diamond Green Diesel 2 comes on that will just really start to really crystallize for the market. They provide nice liquidity. Now, the DGD Port Arthur location is making excellent progress with all key long lead equipment items ordered and site work nearing completion. Equipment is starting to arrive and steel will be going up here shortly. All Rights Reserved. The fourth quarter 2020 gross margin increased $29.8 million over the prior year amount, which partially offset the $38.2 million impairment charge and a $10 million increase in depreciation and amortization, which was partially attributable to the Belgium Group and Marengo acquisition assets added in the fourth quarter of 2020. Now going forward, Ben, to your questions, we're going to generate a ton of cash. Now obviously, Randy your biodiesel was challenged and I understand that. First Quarter 2021. Before we came into the year, there was a plan given the amount of capital that we put in place that we needed to go out and do the little things to tack on an extra $10 to pick up, to change, make sure yields are right and to make sure we're marketing the product into the right markets. Additional Commitment for DGD II . We've been waiting for the tailwinds. This article is a transcript of this conference call produced for The Motley Fool. Our Food segment continued to show strength, finishing 2020 with its best quarterly performance in our history. Welcome to the Darling Ingredients Q4 and fiscal year-end earnings call. I will try and answer this question now but sure you will ask it again during the Q&A. The next question is from Craig Irwin with ROTH Capital Partners. VISIT OUR DEDICATED INVESTOR … Obviously, the good thing is clearly Valero and Darling and Mr. Gorder and myself and Martin Parrish, we're all on the same page. The reality that we're seeing right now is, and I would just say, you have to, for those that follow the Chicago Board of Trade and follow palm oil, soybean meal, soybean oil and corn, you've got one of the steepest inverses that we've seen, probably, I don't know, in the last maybe 10 or 20 years in the markets meaning that today's prices are much higher than they are 6 to 9 months or new crop now. Okay, thanks for all the details. I suspect that we will do some pre-engineering on 4. Uninformative Sell. One of the largest drivers of this increased profitability was their partnership in the diesel fuel space. Good morning, and welcome to the Darling Ingredients Inc. Conference Call to Discuss the Company's Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2020 results. Yeah. Excellent, excellent. So the naphtha has been something that we are going to be doing both in Port Arthur, as well as Norco. 275 million gallons per year with an . Perfect, guys. David Fernandez -- Simmons & Company International -- Analyst. How are you guys looking at this? PRESENTATION SERVICES – LOTTE NEW YORK PALACE - PSAV . I'm sure China can get that done if they need too, but it hasn't really transpired today. But I think the thing the market misses today is that we closed Montreal and our Butler Kentucky biodiesel plant because the economics don't work. 10 stocks we like better than Darling Ingredients, When investing geniuses David and Tom Gardner have a stock tip, it can pay to listen. Thanks, Jim. Now, let's fast forward about another 15 months. --Darling Ingredients Inc. will hold a conference call and webcast on Wednesday, May 12, 2021 to discuss the Company's first quarter 2021 financial results. Maybe, I don't mean to offend any of the hedge funds on the call. IRVING, Texas, March 2, 2021 /PRNewswire/ -- Darling Ingredients Inc. (NYSE: DAR, "Darling") -- . Darling Ingredients Investor – Analyst Forum . And would they take a similar timeline to what's going on here in the U.S.? My second question is the decision to shut down the two biodiesel plants makes perfect sense. Could you talk just maybe just briefly on Port Arthur and then on the naphtha and jet fuel opportunity -- that is one thing that we haven't heard about yet and then how we should think about that in terms of overall margin going forward? What can Darling do to render or collect more out of our footprint today, either through process or technology improvements or competitive positioning and what are the bolt-on opportunities to grow our volumes of animal fats and waste oils around the world? Okay. Clearly, in January, we started to get some of the leverage we saw that. You are here: Home. So we see this as a fungible market where we think product will move around the world as it needs to, to supply the highest and best use. And what do you feel about the regulatory environment in Europe? And if you do, then you get to buy the fat and you get to make the most money than anybody does in the renewable diesel business, and that's what we hope and think we've designed that both Norco and at our new facility coming on in Texas. Yeah, I mean, it's one that I'm surprised it took this long in the conversations today to be brought up. $1.7 billion . Randall C. 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