Also, I am trying to make sense of this https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_Kingmaker/comments/ba1ic2/so_i_did_research_on_dragon_disciple/ It looks like there is a cool interaction with the bloodlines if you go sorc and DD. All rights reserved. Pathfinder: Kingmaker. But those characters can play melee up until that point - so you don't end up playing two distinct styles of characters prior to that. But is there a dragon sorcerer or other transformy dragon build that can be effective on challenging or higher? The Sorcerer is considered a powerful class mostly thanks to the bonuses given by their bloodline class features, but the choice of bloodline is just one of many we can make in character creation. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. @Ineffect Why? Is the +CHA from alchemy potion an alchemical bonus that stacks or something? Nov 26, 2019 @ 2:54pm Optimal Main Character Class Hey all, searched around but didn't find what I was looking for. Mostly due ti the ability to lure mobs around wiht a pet. There is new profane +4 Int Staff and (only for evils) and +2 Int, Wis and Cha neck. But its an 8th level spell, which comes online at level 15/16 respectively. ephemeral. Does anyone know if there is a character builder site (so I can plan which feats to get etc) yet for this game? Pathfinder: Kingmaker. You could continue with sorcerer to get more spells, or you could go any number of other directions - vivisectionist for mutagen and feral mutagen, monk to just get better stats and some ki powers, hell even could just pick up fighter for more feats. 4x12hp hit dice together with scaled fist AC bonus will make you quite beefy. As for the builds you can look on gog forums. Dragon disciple looks like the one to go for. (Including casting melee touch attacks when you hit someone with your melee weapon) and gives access to the dragon form spell. Once again though I have no idea how to make one effective, though one idea is to have one of the twins do it so that when they go down, the other one pops in and takes over (as a different class). The first way to get that spell is to just be a wizard or a sorceror. You'll get that spell at spell level 6, which comes in at level 11/12 respectively. Does anyone know if there is a character builder site (so I can plan which feats to get etc) yet for this game? Thanks for all that. fort late is better cause fort on all WH is like 10 points lower than will. Sylvan sure is #1 unfair sorc. @InEffect Did you post a Sorc build on GoG? You could also do something like: Sorcerer 2/Scaled Fist 1/Paladin 2/Dragon Disciple, which lets you get Cha to saves as well, but that locks you into Lawful Good instead of Lawful . All Discussions Screenshots Artwork Broadcasts Videos News Guides Reviews Pathfinder: Kingmaker > General Discussions > Topic Details. That probably gets you the highest DCs as a sorcerer. If you're ok with mods, I am enjoying a gestalt Bloodrager//Sorcerer into Dragon Disciple//Sorcerer. I know I just did the whole "need good tank build pls halp" thing, in which people where incredibly helpful, but I would like a melee class to accompany an awesome tank and I can't think of anything more bad ass than a dragon. However, what I recommend to really be the dragon is to go Dragon Disciple. The time limit and limited casts per day thing would not be a problem especially if I use the twins to either double the amount I can use it, or simply switch to a backup class once the ability ends. I'm considering a Sorcerer for my next play through. Español - Latinoamérica (Spanish - Latin America). Cause they allow you to take Prestigious spellcaster, that makes the build hit the dragon form as pure sorc level -1, but: You get free permanent bite attack from dd, so with quarterstaff on level 7 we have 2 flurry attacks and bite while retaining buffs. Unfortunately, the earliest you can really access this is level 11/12ish. However, up until like level 14/15 so, you won't really be able to get into melee, so it wouldn't serve the purpose you want. Scaled Fist lets you get Cha to AC, so you want to prioritize Strength>Cha>Dex/Con. I guess it's too early days but you every know! You wouldn't be able to technically cast Form of the Dragon, but Dragon Disciple gets Form of the Dragon I 1/day at level 7, and at level 10 it upgrades to Form of the Dragon II 2/day, which is good enough for Pathfinder Kingmaker (thats like 20-25 minutes of being a dragon). That's because you need access to the spell Form of the Dragon, which has a couple ways to get it. Just a quick calculation on Sorcerer DC - I got 45, but only on Weird - as there are a lot of illusion DC boosting items in the game, and taking 2 levels in alchemist for a +4 Cha boost. So yeah, sorry to keep asking for other people to do my work for me, but I am a bit useless currently as far as complex builds go, and this seems like a hard thing to do unless you really know what you are doing. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_Kingmaker/comments/ba1ic2/so_i_did_research_on_dragon_disciple/. I guess it's too early days but you every know! Why mods? Also has skills to allow you to wear heavy and medium armor with 0 spell penalty. So it only -1 DC difference from Profane bonuses. The D20pfsrd site sends you to the pcgen site (That Randomz linked in post #3) to use that application. only problem being it's illusion so rolls against Will and that's no good. But it can get better if you also cast transformation (also spell level 6), but that character won't really feel good until level 15ish. Pathfinder: Kingmaker Sorcerer Build Suggestions. Thanks guys, where is this profane item found? On top you get the better combat bonus feats and Spell critical. That's to use some sort of polymorph spell to become the dragon. I'd sooner settle for cloak of lost souls and necro dagger. Elderitch Scion. My fav class in kingmaker. Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Dragonshifter Sorcerer Build - YouTube I've heard some folks are able to get their spell DCs to level 50, which is high enough to effect mobs that actually matter. Press J to jump to the feed. You could in theory just do Sorcerer 5/Dragon Disciple 10/Sorcerer 5. All Discussions Screenshots Artwork Broadcasts Videos News Guides Reviews Pathfinder: Kingmaker > General Discussions > Topic Details. © Valve Corporation. The idea is that you can be meleeing as you level up as a dragon disciple, and then at level 12, you can turn into a dragon. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. Pathfinder: Kingmaker. Dragon Disciple will also give stat boosts to help the character out as it plays. Has a pet to carry his stuff. Apr 16, 2019 @ 6:18pm Optimal Sorcerer Build I'm considering a Sorcerer for my next play through. However, that character will be kind of mediocre throughout its play, because you'd be working with a caster hit die(d6) and low BAB. All Discussions Screenshots Artwork Broadcasts Videos News Guides Reviews Pathfinder: Kingmaker > General Discussions > Topic Details. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. Español - Latinoamérica (Spanish - Latin America), https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197972011518/myworkshopfiles/?section=guides&appid=640820. Allows for really good melee damage. You could go a more fighter-y class, like Magus or Alchemist. thelebk. Sorcerer 2/Scaled Fist 3/Dragon Disciple 10. I've heard some folks are able to get their spell DCs to level 50, which is high enough to effect mobs that actually matter. I haven't gotten to transform into a dragon yet, but they're still a very strong melee combatant and great with spells, if a bit squishy at first. I have build a x Wizard/10 eldritch knight Dragon morpher. I'd go a build something like: Sorcerer 2/Scaled Fist 3/Dragon Disciple 10. Oct 6, 2018 @ 6:34pm Character builder site? It'll take too long otherwise. What is the optimum sorcerer build? You can put some p. neat thingies on your neck tho. If so I'll look for it. Knight is basicly a BAB/hit dice upgrade from caster (10 BAB/hit D6) to hybrid (15 BAB/hit D8) for only 1 spell level. This build is current to June 16, 2019. What Dragon Disciple lets you do is play a more melee oriented class up until you become a dragon, it fits more thematically as a dragon based character, and it still lets you become a dragon 1/day at level 12 - the same level as a pure sorc. Scaled Fist lets you get Cha to AC, so you want to prioritize Strength>Cha>Dex/Con. © Valve Corporation. Dragon blood line. Still trying to get it straight in my head though. All rights reserved. How does the alchemist levels help? There are now items that add Profane boni to INT so I am not sure CHA is highest. Just for anyone that might do a search and find this post in the future. But it can get better if you also cast transformation (also spell level 6), but that character won't really feel good until level 15ish. How do folks do this? Sylvan Sorcerer. 1 Scaled fist 4 sorc -> 4 DD -> rest sorcerer. @Tommyc434 Wow! Telmorial. So dragons are cool, obviously. The game is similar to classic RPG games such as Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights. The big thing is that pure wizard/sorceror are the only ones to get access to Form of the Dragon III, which is the most terrifying version of the Dragon. And with illusion you have to beat those twice. A subreddit for all things involving Pathfinder Kingmaker made by Owlcat Games. and gives access to the dragon form spell, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the Pathfinder_Kingmaker community, Continue browsing in r/Pathfinder_Kingmaker. Thanks, that site looks to have a huge amount of info but I can't see a character builder. So there is one way to become a dragon, really. Do too many creatures have high will saves? everything you really care about does have rather high will saves. They get access to Form of the Dragon, but they also get it much later (level 16). The short answer is probably through optimal charisma equipment + arcane sorcerer bloodline. Pathfinder is a tabletop RPG based off of the 3.5 Ruleset of Dungeons and Dragons. After level 15, when you have DD 10, you'll have a sorcerer cast level of 9, and 5 levels free. This would give you access to Form of the Dragon III, and would be the best version of the dragon at level 20. However, that character will be kind of mediocre throughout its play, because you'd be working with a caster hit die(d6) and low BAB.

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